Y'all are real dicks most the time

thank you ken, posting like that really helps us figure out what needs a fixin.

We all deserve that Ken.

Can someone tell me what this "POTN" people are talking about is?

It's a discord server Sam, it's where most of us were talking outside of the phansite.

POTN was an RP group founded in the old days of the site, it later became a discord.

Thank you.

^ Same, what's happening? Sorry for living under a rock...

What I've noticed the problem is, and I have no plans to point fingers, people say one small thing then instead of working it out it turns into a full blown arguement that ends with nothing accomplished.

Oh so that's what "POTN" is!

I agree with Kuze. It's usually a discussion that somehow turns into an argument, and the original topic is not even spoken about.

Especially with a certain inkling showing up that ruins people's fun...

Like seriously, we try to have a nice to, then BAM, splat tim shows up.

I should elaborate, y'all are way too stuck up, only doing shit your own way,not letting shit slide, it is fucking annoying to see it day after day, y'all make it so only a fraction of the people can feel welcome by enforcing some stupid ass shit, sure it ain't Actually a rule but the attitude toward shit is fucked, although some of y'all are cool. Light, yu, Yuki (peace bro), sushi, etc. But a majority unfortunately are kinda dickish if they don't get thier way, y'all need to stop being so selfish and childish most the time and get round to actually fixing shit rather than just talking about it, WHICH OYU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR MONTHS YOU LITTLE FUCKOS

Okay my issue here basically boils down to this growing feeling I have that the sites descended into a shadow civil war nobody wants to admit.

I think there's a group of users who want to make RP more restrictive. Stemming back to complaints about Mig's Arcana, and the whole mess with Mary Sue's.

It all came to a head for me last night when I saw NotIgor and Genm basically bully Star off the site for the night, and again with Gamma'post about how we should write better with no real tips on how.

Look, I want the site to stay as it is. But I feel like if we don't fight this fight now, we're ceding control of RP to a handful of malcontents in PMs.

We all know that ignoring people works right? The mind's block button?

I agree that people showing up and being obstinate can be trying, and I know ignoring isn't the best answer, but it is something we can do.

"welcome by enforcing some stupid ass shit"

Like what ?

Okay, Jesus.

Ken.

Stop.

Yelling and bitching won't do anything to solve a problem. We aren't enforcing or doing anything, we're annoyed at how the site is now. Inform yourself and speak in a calm and collected manner

Klib, ignoring isn't the solution. that'll just result in people feeling left out.

Ignoring is how we got here. Hifumi's even said last night we can't kick people out of our threads.

I should be gone, but Liam made me curious at what he was gonna do. So now im here, and im already saddened

I've been saying so for decades -_- Don't ignore, either try and acomodate, or explain the problem to them. Remember the the tma problem ? We talked things out with him and he calmed down didn't he ?

>> uh... You shouldn't expect much out of me boss. I'm nowhere near as cool as I pretend to be. I'm just another poser, posing like a madman.

You're right Liam we did, though I haven't seen Yuka in a while actually. Now as for my thoughts yeah we need to work shit out, but beyond that some of just aren't going to like what others do, and frankly that's okay.

Talk it out try to reach something but if you can't agree on an issue then just agree to disagree and go on, don't turn things into some giant flame ear that takes mod intervention to cool off.

We've all made mistakes and learning from them is the only way to get better, and that's what I've learned from this day so far.

Well than lets make things clear, I am very frustrated as I don't see the problem, all I see is complaning about one liners flooding the forums with RP. (Which I disagree with) so lets lay out what we are doing and why.

1. Whats the problem
2. What can be done about it
3. Reach a conclusion

It is I, Plush Morgana, back from the depths to once again grace you all with my presence.

One of the biggest problems that I've noticed looking over my owner's shoulder as he browses the site is that both here, and in discord servers nobody ever takes the time tor really sit down and try to understand each other. My owner ends up talking to himself about how fed up he's getting about people being unwilling to have a reasonable discussion about what's bothering them. If you've got a problem, then speak up! Form your argument it in a calm and maybe concise manner and bring it up. If you don't think you or the other person will be able to remain calm then ask a third party to mediate!

If you all can find it in yourselves to take some steps back at times, asses the various situations and try being calm I'm sure most can come to an understanding at the least. One sentence responses aren't the answer. Passive aggressive comments often don't help. Incomplete thoughts only serve to help you be misunderstood. Let's all look at our own flaws and try to rise above them as we search for solutions.

One more thing; constructive criticism isn't something to get upset over! Even if the person giving it doesn't do it in the nicest way, take it as a chance to improve! Push yourself to be better the next time so that they can't say the same thing again. Don't dwell on how you could have been better, but how you WILL be better the next time and put forth the effort!

@-Shinjiro_Aragaki-
Y'see, there's the problem. We derail and have to start over

PLUSH MORGANA

Woah throwback

I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here because I have some stuff that I feel needs to be said.

I'm getting really sick of the way we all act towards one another. We have to stop taking criticism towards plot and characters so personally, because the minute someone insults someone else's character it's suddenly war.

And above all else stop acting like an insult to your character and plot is the end of the world, it's not. These are just characters in a setting and if someone doesn't like your character or plot then they don't like it. That doesn't mean they don't like you.

Honestly, I'm greatly disappointed with how I've seen things go down. The minute anyone says anything it's instantly treated as a personal attack and instead, it becomes the opposite where a group of people starts attacking one person for saying something.

We don't have to like each other's ideas, that's alright. Nobody likes everything but we can still get along as people if everyone would just control their temper.

To tell the truth, there was an ulterior motive behind my thread. The idea was for it to lead people to think, and then NotIgor and some others would make a semi-joke thread to bring up their grievances in a method similar to one of Aesop's Fables, I hoped to be able to lead people to the issues in a non-confrontational way, but obviously that didn't work out, and I am in large part responsible.

Now back to those grievances. Simply put several of the PMers are scared to post on the site because their threads will simply be drowned out, or they feel they will be ignored because they don't want to act silly. They're even scared to bring more people to the site for this reason. After all, no one wants to be ignored.

I've always taken things as a chance to improve, that's part of why I'm here, and I've always claimed such. But as I have admitted, my wording was bad, my timing probably worse. However, I cannot backpedal and undo it. I can only try to make things clear moving forward

Then lets make a very clear and concise plan to the discussion, as of right now we dont have a clear reason or issue to talk about, we just discuss whats the most recent topic and move on like nothing has happened, if we have a clear topic we can all understand what to talk about, hell even now I'm derailing the topic, as I have no idea what is the topic.

Yes, people will complain about oneliners and shit but honestly.
All of this could be resolved with people staying in their own lanes. People will talk and complain.

There can be a thread for oneliners

There can be a thread for literate rpers

No need to breath down everyone's neck. I don't get why we can't just let people have their rp posts. Yes, people have preferences but that could also be reached by a simple thread discussing with those who are interested in same ideaology.

If a may throw my few cents in, i think that the biggest problem is not stoping meme accounts because of the "they're memes, whats the worst that can happen?" mentality. Because lemme tell you, EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING CAN AND WILL! *pant* *pant* there. Sorry about that...

I think k the reason you get ignored, Akira, is you use the phrase "literate RP." Which sets the bar insanely high, and makes most people feel like they're doing it wrong.

Or at least that's how I feel in both cases.

What I'm seeing is everyone has a diffeent issue. What we need to do is find one thing to rally everyone behind on. It's one of our best bets at this point.

To Dahlia, the meme accounts were in part a way to vent frustration about the bigger issues. They went too far, undoubtedly, but It is merely a symptom, not the cause.

Also, Mig does have a point. The term "literate RP" Does make you come off as a bit of a snob. It is a good thing you explained yourself the second time, but it is understandable that people would be scared away from it.

I see, gamma. Thanks for the explanation...

@Migrant

I understand but I go one to elaborate what I deem as a "literate" post. I'm fine with 2+ lines as long as they're descriptive and whatever. I get the stigma that comes with it and I'm trying to work a way around it. Often times, people just get scared or offended that someone has an rp preference and try to go out of their way to lash out at someone just because they have different expectations. That's just what I've seen at least.

Yeah I'm inconsistent in two line RP. And I feel like nobody really offers solutions, just a weird mix of "write more, but don't write tjis"

@Migrant

There's always the black and white option of having people with different rp styles rp on different posts. Less confrontation but it feels a little exclusive but people don't clash.

I'm sure there can be a happy clash in between.

alright, so here's what I gathered.

The simplest way to put things is that people are getting too absorbed in what others rp, and take it too much to heart. People also seem to take things too personally as a single bit of criticism seems to spark wars.

How does this sound ?

can we discuss this or not ?

Sounds accurate. Dunno how we can talk about this though...

Sorry was announcing some giveaways.

That sounds about right to me. I mean it's easy to do when people are actually being attacked and others leaving now in droves.

Well first of all, the easiest way that I can think of to fix this problem is rules. A simple one: don't take offense on how others rp. We each rp our own personal way and that should be respected.

I guess that's the biggest issue. I just. I guess I wanted to do something about it and got hasty. Then it blew up and well, there's just not really anything I can do at this point.
I guess I'm glad some talking was done though.

I hate to throw my thoughts in too late especially on my way home from work when I have little time to think and write this out but to add on to okayed from above that I share, I Personally am nota fan of the Nexus thing, or how it is tatted I guess?
It's a neat idea but I find it awkward with how unbalanced and inconsistent things can be and just having to accept things because Nexus
It kinda kills my motivation sometimes to write, especially when I try to ignore the Nexus but someone brings something into a thread that makes it so I can't

And again, I apologize for the shit I did. Wasn't really intending for it to go so for out of proportion, I was frustrated and acted immaturely

Well people went with nexus because at some point there was a feeling of necessity for plot. and then that feeling turned into a necessity for coherence.

But at this point, the plot has all but vanished. There are no more sins, and shit happens left and right. The nexus isn't actually needed anymore, the way I see it.

Honestly Hibiki the Nexus is just how we justify having so many things from so many fandoms. It's either an idea like that or we control who people can play.

I and seemingly most others consider it the lesser of two evils. Balance isn't really an issue so long as people set out to balance themselves. We've really had no major issues on that front.

As for inconsistent it's another sad fact of mixing so many worlds into one pot, we could have stopped that at the start maybe but by now I just don't think it's an option in the least without being rightfully called draconian.

also, and that should be noted, you're free to set the rules of your own threads. If you explain it all clearly at first, there shouldn't be a problem

That I'm in agreement with Liam, nobody can or should control the site as whole but your own creations is something totally different.

If you want to make a thread where all the Nexus crap isn't allowed do it, though of course people may or may not be interested.

Hibiki I'd actually like to hear your ideas on how our setting should be. Since Hill and I are working on lore for the Nexus itself.

Honestly I'm not even sure how to help anymore. I feel like any solution will be difficult to pull off without a consensus and well, like that will ever happen. I've brainstormed a lot the last month or two and I'm not even sure I can find something that satisfies myself.

The Nexus in a way makes sense of the chaos, but I can't see it working well without some kind of, dare I say it, quality control, but that won't happen, the best we can do is help others grow, but I'm not sure how well that will happen after tonight.

I don't know if I'm even doing well getting my thoughts across, after all this I have a massive headache, and should sleep soon.
Thanks, by the way, while I wish I didn't have to establish rules or something in the first post, it really is the best solution, and is probably my fault for not trying that ahead of time.

I just hope everyone can learn from this. Really it feels like that's pretty much all I can do now. The damage is done. I guess we just sort of need to let it pass over now.

Yeah quality control is a guaranteed no from me. I think treating the Nexus more as world and less as an excuse is a good idea.

Just no restrictions on adding new parts. Unless it's an obvious troll thing.

I hate to bring this thread up again and potentially cause trouble, but on the issue of "1 liners".

Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe some of them don't have English as a first language and thus cannot be as.... articulate as others? Just an idea that popped into my head a while ago.